Response to the "Official statement concerning candidates ..."

just a short "add a fact":

if memory serves correctly, the developtments on Aspern were first discussed at the boards with - though no offical statement - with the clear indication, that using HD seats in business would be "outlawed" as well as "inappropriate" seating in economy. I agree, at this time, it was not illegal, but everyone knew it was coming.

The team then announced that it would be outruled, but gave a month or so for all airlines using now forbidden seating to change their configurations. Only airlines, that failed to comply with the new rules after the grace period, were accused and trialed.

To correct  the statement regarding the past conviction:

That was not about seat usage as written by rubiohiguey2000, it was a case of cheating on the aircraft market by up-bidding on used aircraft.

We also feel that it should be noted, that rubiohiguey2000 so far had the time to post on this forum and now write the above statement (where he wants to get the cases solved quickly), but so far he didn't submit any statements to the UAB.

Using "cheap" seats on C class is forbidden since ages. And guess what? Miki and me were the reason! :D Thus, it didn't make it to a (written?) rule but our A380 with 853 C class seats were some fine unfair thing... ^_^ ... that said I had 2 out of 40 A380 with that seating and I didn't make trouble removing it again. ;)

Back then people like 'George' (knows AS better than anyone? really? lol) weren't even playing... So, the rule basically exists (because it's not fairplay anyways).

And if the case is about being actively unfair and not just "taking advantage of something" then why is he even allowed to apply? :lol:

Nothing personal even if it might sound that way but for me as someone who would never have an airline that large (5000 planes??? Why?) that newbies have no chance find it really annoying that those people would even be part of the "closer environment of AirlineSim" - the people will understand what I mean. ^_^

Btw: rubiohiguey is just an example for me here for everyone doing the same stuff.

This is really interesting, because how could I have been "convicted" of something on Aspern if I didn't even had chance to reply to it, because my airline was penalized for using small seats before I had any chance to reply anuthing (and yes, I did replace the seats as soon as the discussions started in late December 2013 around New Year's time, yet I was still penalized), so decided to leave Aspern altogether having only an airline few weeks old.

@ yukawa - yes I did change the seats back to what I used to have them, once the threads started popping up in the forums between the Christmas and New Years of 2013.

I believe Spezialist should look into the ticket system and submit my reply to UAB.

I have not had chance to respond to UAB before 9.15 am my local time today, as I was redacting and proofreading my thorough and fact-extensive reply.

The reply in post #3 by Spezialist mocking my time-spending was actually foreseen, and I would have expected nothing less of him.

Oh yes, we did have a happy Mother's day here yesterday, maybe it was because of that why I took large part of my weekend off and prefer spending time with my family rather than drafting legal documents 24/7.

I also believe this thread should be put back to UAB forum, other threads regarding the current election are allowed there, yet this one is moved. Another prime example of a huge bias and hate of Spezialist towards me.

At the time of my post, your statements weren't submitted yet - they were received at 12:57, 13:04 and 13:11 UTC.

And I'm not the one just personally wondering about that, just posting what the UAB also thought about it.

Also I did not move this topic to another forum section.

George, man  the thing is everyone knows you, and me a fresh player of AS know you of every topic in Forum you have a Saying and you are always on rage when someone desagree about your thoughts, for real man, this is a game is not a Life, you must be a good player even with the cheating, let me remind you, that UAB is not a tittle is a responsability and for me you don't want any of the things you stated you just want the tittle.

If you want the things to get clear and the rules to be enforced my real advice is retreat your application let your cheating cases be judge and next year you get another chance, that is what I would do, at least to keep my image.

For real, sometimes you win or you lose, and how can you be a good spokesman for the players between asteam if you attack every asteam member, even martin, lol man there's no sense in what you are saying.

How can you be a link between players and ASteam if you don’t have the talk channel with them open.

Your diplomaci is upside down, you are a diplomat as long as you are right, if it goes another way around you become a revolutionary…

Best Regards see your Candidacy next Year!

Dear Players,

This post is to inform you that pending the current unresolved issues, I decided to withdraw from the current UAB election process.

I completely understand that my candidacy to UAB may seem to some as my intention to interfere with pending cases. It is for that reason that I asked that these cases be pleased solved quickly, before the elections are over, so either I am cleared or declared guilty.

I am strongly convinced that the currently pending accusations were hurriedly put together by a certain Team member to affect or prevent my membership in UAB. His personal dislike against me had been going on for some time, even since a long time before the events of the past two weeks. I believe he is on a witch hunt and personal vengance trail against me, his animosity towards me can be seen in the forums since about a year or so ago, when my airline started to become big and a principal competitor of his. I do not believe that he, as my direct competitor, should have ever even prosecuted the case, it should be a different team member doing investigation and arguing for Team's position in his place. There is just a clear conflict of interests.

My main intent when running for UAB was not really to have any "judgment capacity", I care much less about that than I care about the fact that there are so many undefined areas in Airlineism that then create a breeding ground for cases to the alike of pending in UAB at the moment.

I would very like to have certain issues in Airlinesim resolved, such as slot blocking, and other "non-clear" areas defined what is and what is not allowed. My interest was, if elected to UAB, to get more action from UAB in assuring there were more specific and clear rules, and to provide regulations of such issues as slot blocking with small aircraft.

In regards to slot blocking, I posted about this issue several times in the forums, that players who complain most are those who play on Quimby. Most of these players are new players and they frequently get fed up with non-action about these issues, and these issues appear over and over. It is these new players who bring a very large portion of revenue to Airlinesim, and when they get upset that issues such as slot blocking are not dealt with, they simply leave.

It is reasons like this that made me apply for UAB. It is not any kind of "title" for me (as suggested by a playerabove) that would matter, and it is not the ability to judge others that matters to me. I want to help advance things, and to define actions that are undefined, to make them either legal or illegal. With more clearer definitions, there would not exist the majority of cases that are brought before UAB.

I am not really that keen on UAB any more, in any case even if I got elected it would not be easy to work with people who may have partial or complete negative feelings towards me.

It is for this reason that I announce my withdrawal from these UAB elections, and I endorse the following 6 candidates, in the listed order:

1. CBE

2. Tal0n

3. VentureX

4. Loup

5. khoianh

http://community.airlinesim.aero/topic/9860-elections-to-the-uab-in-may-2016/

Nevertheless, I still believe I would have been a very valuable member of UAB and my input and suggestions could have advanced things a great deal towards more clear AirlineSim. I would have helped to make AirlineSim great again!

Regards to all,

George

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It is for this reason that I announce my withdrawal from these UAB elections, and I endorse the following 6 candidates, in the listed order:

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So you are handing in your concession of defeat to a sore loser, who launched an attack war on you for personal reasons, trying to benefit personally by misusing his privileged position, because he bet and lost the bet?

It's sad to see this personal crusade actually affect this vote. In the real world one would call this a "smear campaign".

I am not naming anyone involved. The addressees will know they are, for others I am leaving this out here.

George, as your name has not officially been pulled out of the public poll, you got my vote!!

cheers,

Jona L.

Hi,

I believe George is indeed a player who knows the game like not other  :-)

Apparently, he has not only been punished for using small chairs in Business class, he was also punished for up-bidding on the second hand market. I guess he was "helping" a friend to get more money for his plane.

But to be honest, George became member of the forum in september 2013. I just checked to forum history and it was in december 2013 that there was an outrage about players using slim seats in business and first class. So I believe he was indeed a new player, merely copying a business model that proved to be very profitable on a new server. If I am correct, it was only then (and not ages ago) that using small seats in C and F class became illegal. At least, players were given one month to change their cabin configurations.

In view of his current candidacy it may also be noteworthy that George defended the players who used small seats on this forum.

As for the current complaints, I don't know what they involve, and I don't need to know any details. I only wonder if they involve Spezialist. Both he and George have 2000 planes flying in the USA (Idlewild). It would be better if nobody gets the impression that a team member is using his position to fight a competitor.

@George: don't say that you will make AS great again.

It makes you sound like Trump  ;-)

Cheers,

Jan

George might not be everybody's idea of a Hallmark card but at least he stick to his guns. That is more than what one can say for some of the team members. Over the last year team members have gone back and forth on decisions like a bad porn movie. Alone the issue with the LETs is enough to drive anyone crazy keeping track on how many times the rules have been changed. It has really become a joke. 

And lets face it, AS is still a divided community. Neither the team nor the current or previous UABs did anything positive to the communication problems. And if I look at this threat I am not surprised. Over the last two years decision affect this game was made in the German forum but never so much as peeped about in the English one. And vice versa. 

So the UAB is going to judge players... based on what??? The rules? Which ones? The ones in the wiki? The AGBs? The ones the decided on open tickets but never publish for all to see? If the team members cannot stick to a single line of though for longer than three months, why should we trust that the UAB can do a job that in fact is not build on solid rock? 

In the end I hope that the new UAB will tackle the problem of communication... both publicly and behind the scenes. Why can we not see more posts through Martin's system wide message tool?

This election process scratched a lot of paint from some very expensive cars... Fairness is what people perceive to be fair. Seeing as we now even have claims that some players are Super Users, one can clearly see that there is a disconnect. And some posts naming players both big or small cannot be undone. I sincerely hope that somewhere in the future the game will become what I think Martin intended it to be. 

I wish all the UAB candidates the best. Make the game proud and what ever you do - communicate!

George might not be everybody's idea of a Hallmark card but at least he stick to his guns. That is more than what one can say for some of the team members. Over the last year team members have gone back and forth on decisions like a bad porn movie. Alone the issue with the LETs is enough to drive anyone crazy keeping track on how many times the rules have been changed. It has really become a joke. 

And lets face it, AS is still a divided community. Neither the team nor the current or previous UABs did anything positive to the communication problems. And if I look at this threat I am not surprised. Over the last two years decision affect this game was made in the German forum but never so much as peeped about in the English one. And vice versa. 

So the UAB is going to judge players... based on what??? The rules? Which ones? The ones in the wiki? The AGBs? The ones the decided on open tickets but never publish for all to see? If the team members cannot stick to a single line of though for longer than three months, why should we trust that the UAB can do a job that in fact is not build on solid rock? 

In the end I hope that the new UAB will tackle the problem of communication... both publicly and behind the scenes. Why can we not see more posts through Martin's system wide message tool?

Completely agree. This is the main problem with this game: there is no clear definition of what is and isn't illegal and decisions are made by the team ad hoc - often contradicting previous decisions on similar cases. Even those of us who want to stick to the rules have trouble understanding what may or may not be done.

I also don't see the point of the team deliberately leaking which players do or don't have pending allegations. Convictions should be public - and in fact I would value and respect a candidate who was honest enough to plainly state they had previous convictions and what they were about - but anyone can be accused by anyone, being investigated on its own means absolutely nothing, and I fail to see the purpose of leaking that information to the public other than to deliberately try to influence the election. If the current UAB decided the players should be allowed to run, that should be the end of it.

I knew nothing about any of this until this election. Maybe I haven’t spent enough time in the forums, I don’t know, but I do know that I agree that we desperately need a revision of the rules and regulations in this game. We need transparency in the decisions made, and it would be nice if we could end the infighting. That last one is a pipe dream I know, but I do believe that the first two would help with the last. I spent some time wondering if I even wanted to continue with my candidacy, but decided this is exactly why I wanted to run in the first place. We need some changes that’s for certain.

We are aware of that and it's a revision of game rules is already on the to do list for right after the elections.

We are aware of that and it's a revision of game rules is already on the to do list for right after the elections.

For each of the comments you make on this thread it would be really nice to know as who exactly you are posting:

* a regular player

* a member of the AS board

* a direct competitor of Rubiohiguey2000 on the Idlewild game world

* as the (apparent) returning officer of the UAB election

Whatever rubio may have been accused and/or convicted of - you as a member of the team refer to it but never give details. But from the point on where martin stated on the official UAB thread that the team is against Rubio's and Syriana's candidacy I cannot lose that bad taste in my mouth that you are leveraging your position in the game administration to deal with a pesky competitor.

Even a minimal sense of fair play should have induced you to stay entirely silent on the matter, given your official position, and certainly not made negative statements about competitors in the context of UAB elections.

You may have won your personal goal of preventing Rubio from joining the UAB. Maybe that was the entire team's goal all along. I certainly hope so, because in the process you have made a mockery of the idea of any sort of fair election.

As written in Martins post, we did not decide on that, but the current UAB did. So nobody has been excluded for the elections by the AS Team.

It is not and never has been my personal goal to prevent rubiohiguey2000 from joining the UAB. It's candidates themselves and the players deciding what users will be elected to the UAB and not my goal to interfere with that.

As of now, the UAB hasn't decided yet on the pending cases, so there's no outcome that could be reported yet.

My personal goal is to fight cheating, no matter what username or position someone may have.

Hi,

my conclusion so far...

George has been a naughty boy. I mean, he is not a criminal. He has merely used and abused the loopholes in the game, and the lack of adequate rules. So I think the current UAB has made the right decision by allowing the two candidates involved to participate. Especially as there are no rules about candidates either. As for them breaking the rules, it has always been my opinion that a computer game should not allow you to do anything illegal. And rules/limits that cannot be embedded in the software should be clearly defined.

And if I may take the liberty to give some advice to the old and new UAB members. AirlineSim is not a stand-alone game. It is community, where different players have different goals. It is inevitable that different styles of playing cause frictions between players. In my opinion every style of playing and every business model should be allowed as long as it does not harm the community as a whole.

To be honest, I don't know how to put that in rules. But I hope you guys manage.

... like a bad porn movie.

Dear Hendrik Jacobus,

if you have ever seen a good porn movie, please forward me the title.

(just wanted to lighten the mood a bit  ;-)

For the rest I can only agree with you and Bobb

Cheers,

Jan